Anxiety often takes over a lot of us. We fidget here and there, moving restlessly on towards or away from the next thing. American-born fitness model and online coach Dylan McKenna is familiar with this struggle. He shares with us his story of overcoming anxiety along with his thoughts on performance-enhancing drugs. Dylan talks about how he got into bodybuilding and how it helped with his anxiety. With a great following behind him on YouTube and social media, he shares great nuggets of wisdom about growing a following and putting out content while sharing how he deals with haters. Join in on this rollercoaster ride of a conversation with host Brendan Meyers and Dylan McKenna and learn a thing or two about fitness, health, relationships, and more.
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Thoughts On Performance Enhancing Drugs, Anxiety, And Growing A Following with Dylan McKenna
My Untold Secrets
We have Dylan McKenna joining us. Dylan, what’s up?
What’s going on? I’m excited to be here in Denver, Colorado. I love it here.
Dylan McKenna is a business owner and a Gymshark athlete. He’s building an incredible audience on YouTube and social media. He does a lot and he travels a lot and I’m super excited to jump into a lot and peel back all the layers because he’s interesting. He’s younger, but at the same time you got that old soul mind.
I’m 21 in the flesh but 40 in mind now.
Welcome to the CreateU Experience where we dive in deep and we go off of the tip of our tongues. We say what we feel and we do what we do. Does that make any sense?
It doesn’t make that much sense.
Dylan, who are you?
Who are we all? I don’t even know who I am, honestly. As a brief description, I would say how I got into social media and how I got into lifting, all that type of stuff. I started out as a super skinny teenager. I played sports my entire life. I was always super insecure, then I was extremely skinny. People would make comments, this, that and the other thing. I fell in love with the gym in my freshman year of high school when I played football. I quit all sports from there and I started lifting weights and it became a huge passion for me. It changed my life. When I started changing physically, it changed my mindset and everything mentally. I started enjoying helping my friends who were overweight, little underweight feel more confident in themselves. It transitioned over into social media and I don’t know how. All the cheese is melting and I gained some followers and people like to watch me and I have no idea why, honestly. I have a little bit of an idea.
I would say that it’s not his beard, it’s how funny he is. Let’s unravel that because you’re not just funny all the time because you’re a funny person. You are, but there’s a lot more to it. Let’s get serious because you went through some serious shit in your life and you don’t talk about it for sure. Tell us what happened then?
Honestly, I feel like I do joke a lot all the time and on social media, I do as well. I wouldn’t say it’s a persona because I am like that in person, but at the same time, I feel like a lot of people on my social media don’t know the real true me. They take me as a joke a little bit or that because I am always joking and stuff. I don’t get too serious.
You’ve gone through some serious hardships. What’s something that you can get vulnerable because a lot of people that follow you are reading? Let’s get vulnerable and open that door up for you in the growth of your businesses and what you want to create.
What I would say is the number one thing is I struggle with anxiety pretty bad, especially growing up. When I was ten years old, my dad passed away and I would say that’s when the anxiety for me started in getting bad. I think that that’s what made me become the jokester that I am in a sense. I’ve gone through so many hardships. My dad passed away when I was ten. I have a little sister who’s ten years younger than me. Just growing up with that, my mom’s always been amazing in taking care of us, but it’s difficult losing your dad at that age for sure. That caused a good amount of anxiety, I think. I still struggle with it to this day, but I try to make light of life and just every situation in a sense.
What do you feel holds you back? Being so serious, what if you were so serious in your life? Is there anything that you’re fearful of or you’re like, “I don’t really like that.” What makes you uncomfortable in that sense?
I think a lot of the times, a lot of things are going to make me uncomfortable. Anything that does make me uncomfortable, I am prone to steer clear of it. Whether that be a girl, whether it be like a relationship, whether it be a business opportunity, whether it be anything. When I was in high school, I couldn’t even sleep over at my friend’s house because I was too anxious, I was too scared to leave my own bed and my own comfort zone. What I would say and what I’m learning is that it’s always good to make yourself uncomfortable. I would say that the number one thing that holds me back is staying in my comfort zones. That’s with business, that’s friendships and where I live. For example, I definitely have the opportunity to move anywhere that I want to move but it is difficult for me to take off from my hometown where, I’m from and where my family’s from. As you can see, I still struggle with it for sure but I am conscious of it and I try to make myself uncomfortable as much as possible. I am even traveling and things of that nature, which I do frequently makes me uncomfortable. I think it’s sometimes baby steps, I would say.
That anxiety, I love how you touched on that and you’re open with it because your dad passing, that’s something so hard to deal with. It’s not even about just dealing with it. It’s not “struggle,” but it’s something that you have to work through your entire life and you want to show up for your kids one day. You want kids one day and you want to be there for them. How do you show up? I want to get jump back into anxiety. How do you show up for your audience in that way? Maybe people who are reading that they don’t know what that looks like. Where do you feel like you’re showing up for them?
To be honest, I feel like I show up for my audience in the way that other people have shown up for me in a sense. In that way is that just providing an outlet for someone to come and get some entertainment from. I do provide a lot of educational stuff as well, but I think just giving people a break from their day to come to my channel and laugh and enjoy like me and my friends’ dynamics and feel like they’re a part of that in a sense. I remember watching Christian Guzman’s videos back in the day. I would watch his videos and he was someone who definitely, when I was feeling like shit, feeling anxious, sitting in my room not knowing what I wanted to do, I’d watch those videos and it would just give me some type of light or motivation and entertainment. It would take me away from that shitty anxious space that I was in. I like to think that that’s what I provide for people the most honestly.
What happens when you’re anxious? What are some symptoms that you experience?
The physical symptoms of it and it’s funny because even the other night before I went to bed, I had a little bit of anxiety. Physically, you’ll have like sweaty hands. The heartbeat will go up. You literally feel like you’re sometimes dying.
Do you ever have a hard time breathing?
It will start. You’ll have a hard time breathing because your heart rate’s elevated. It’s almost like your body is going to the mode that you’re about to get attacked by a bear, but you’re sitting on a fucking bed trying to go to sleep. You’re like, “I don’t think this is supposed to happen.” You start getting in your head and then your anxiety preys on it. You have a little panic attack for 30 minutes. You get over it, you go to bed.
I want to touch on this because I think anxiety takes over a lot of us. I’ve had anxiety my entire life. I don’t know if you know this, but I’ve talked about it a little bit. I had a hard time breathing, seeing stars. I have sweaty palms but also my hands, I couldn’t feel my hands.
You’ve certainly had panic attacks in a sense.
I have anxiety all the time. I had my friend, Sarah, here and we were watching my vlog back and I was taking a big deep breath consistently. She was like, “Are you having trouble breathing?” I’m like, “No, I’m a little anxious right now.” “Why?” We started going into it. It’s like, “I feel like you’re watching my video and I want it to be perfect and all these different things.” I created it for myself, but I don’t feel like it’s wrong. I don’t feel like it’s wrong that we have anxiety. I think it’s how we deal with it. A lot of high performers have a lot of anxiety and it’s because they hold themselves to such a high standard. Do you hold yourself to a high standard?
You always want to do more and more.
They are always thinking, always having ideas, 100%. The mind, it can be good and bad because a lot of successful people are people who are anxious people because they’re always moving. They could go to bed at a 3:00 in the morning, wake up at 6:00 and their mind’s immediately moving right when they’re up in bed. They’re always ready. They’re thinking and that’s how I am.
I think if you’re reading, there are some remedies that you can take from this and I think you could take some remedies from this. It’s drinking tea. I noticed that you drank some tea since you’ve been here. What type of tea is that? Is it chamomile or is it more Earl Grey or caffeinated?
I don’t feel caffeinated is good for me. It was that fruit tea.
That’s what it was. I do think that can help 100% with anxiety. A lot of it is mental too. If you feel that it helps you, it might. It is a little bit of placebo. If for you drinking tea or CBD, if you feel that it helps you.
The other thing is using some products and not all of them, because here’s the thing, sometimes you’ll take in some products and there’s so much shit in them that it ignites things outside. If you ever eat anything bad, do you feel like you get anxiety sometimes? Does it depend on the food?
I think now I’m more conscious of it that I understand what putting different foods in your body and different disgusting chemicals can do to you. I think I do now. I did notice it.
Do you cause a lot of the anxiety for yourself then? Outside of going to sleep and you’re getting like anxious and telling yourself in your mind, but the foods that you eat. Maybe the hours that you’re going asleep, do you feel like you caused that and can other people who relate to that?
Absolutely and this is something huge. This is massive. When I was suffering from anxiety at my worst point in high school, I literally was doing nothing. I wasn’t even training to how I wanted to train. I was doing nothing right. I was letting that anxiety eat me up. There are times where, this is for depression too, you’re so low that you don’t see the light in a sense. You don’t see the light in the tunnel at all. What I’ve noticed is when you’re in that state, you still have to do all the things that you know you should be doing to be successful and to make yourself happy. If you’re not going to the gym, if you’re not reading, if you need to read or being active, going to hang out with friends, working on your business or whatever it is. If you’re not doing those, when you feel like shit, when are you not going to feel like shit? Because one day there’s going to be like just a little needle of light that you’ll see and you’ll feel fulfilled from what you’ve done in that day and it stacks on.
More and more it opens up. That’s an amazing point because I feel like it’s even the small wins while you’re anxious. If you’re so used to it getting worse and worse, your anxiety or every single night when you go to sleep at the same thing and you freak out more and more and you can start getting more symptoms. Maybe it’s just a shift of, “I’m here. Let me embrace this feeling. Why am I feeling this? I ate this shit. Or I am going to sleep and it’s 3:00 AM. I didn’t talk to my ex about this. I didn’t talk to my friend about this. I didn’t finish this project.” A lot of it comes down and stems from sources that we should be aware of. It’s like we were late all day and we didn’t even realize it. By the time it hits nighttime, it’s like, “I’ve been late all day. It’s making me anxious because it’s been stress on top of me because people around me are telling me why you are late? Why’d you done this? Why did you show up like this?” It’s the tip of the iceberg. It all goes back to being present and being aware of our situations and what we’re doing. That’s amazing. I’m glad we could talk on anxiety. Now let’s talk about some haters. This is the shit that I like. All the big cheese haters. Where does big cheese come from?
I and my good friend, David Laid, we come up with weird, different catchphrases that we say all the time. It’s what do ever since we were younger. I don’t even know where it comes from. We’re just weird people.
Why big cheese?
I think because there’s a lot of fat content in cheese. I have a lot of fat content in Dave’s eyes. It’s like in a nice way, he’s calling me fat. Now, I have tens of thousands of people calling me Big Cheese every day.
Are you going to be called shredded cheese?
I’ll be shredded cheese once I’m shredded.
Are you more dairy or are you vegan?
I would sound dairy.
Are you dairy? You’re dairy cheese. Are you ever going to be non-dairy cheese?
Once I start doing yoga more, I get more in touch with myself. I realize how bad dairy is for me. I probably will then not be a dairy cheese.
Big Cheese or whatever but the haters, let’s be real. You’re Dylan McKenna. You get a lot of people, and I don’t like to call them haters and shit, but the people that throw jabs at you.
Honestly, people get upset. I first started experiencing hate and it’s funny because I’ve probably gotten 30,000 DMs in my life directly about that.
Did you count it?
No, I’m saying just about this one time. That’s an over-exaggeration. I’ve had a load of DMs about people specifically saying this, “I’m in high school, I’m in college. I’m at work,” wherever it is. They start doing something good for themselves. Whether it be business, whether it be lifting or whatever, most people come to me for lifting and there’ll be like, “Everyone’s making fun of me for going to the gym all the time. I’m scared to post a picture on my Instagram of the progress that I made and all that type of stuff.” I remember for sure, when I started getting into the gym and stuff like that, in high school, people would throw jabs at me. They’d call me like Maxed Out McKenna, D1-Dyl. They just fucked with me.
It’s like a D1 football player, running back Dyl. They’d fuck with me. That was playful and stuff, but behind my back they’d be like, “Why is he going to the gym all the time? What is this kid’s problem? He’s obsessed with himself.” All this stuff and they didn’t get it. They were jealous. Maybe some of the girls were like, “He looks good.” Some of the guys were upset about it or whatever it is. I think that goes for anything. Once you start doing well in anything, you’re going to have people who are not happy with themselves. They’re then going to be upset that you’re happy with yourself and that you’re doing something good.
How do you deal with it? Do you throw some funny emojis back at the comments?
Sometimes I will make other people laugh that understand that person’s hating. In reality, I don’t respond to haters in a serious way 99% of the time, unless someone says something so nasty that I will DM them. Like, “I’m honestly here for you. This is fucked up. You understand what you’re saying right now?” Every time I’ve ever done that, someone will say the hardest shit you could ever think of about your family and all these things. Then they’re like, “I’m actually a fan. I didn’t mean it that way.” They want attention.
This is very interesting because I’ve hated on you a little bit on your page and you blocked me. 24 hours later, you unblocked me. What’s up with that?
With you specifically, I don’t like you personally.
That’s super fair that you unfollow me now. He’s literally unfollowing me as we speak.
This will make my follow ratio better.
Follow back. This is literally how his emotions go with me.
To be honest though, I don’t let people like that bother me and it’s easy to say this, but I truly believe that it’s like if someone is taking the time to hate on me, then it means nothing to me. Because honestly, there’s no reason that someone should be hitting on me for the stuff that I put out. I’m putting out positive and motivating. Whatever the case, people get upset, they push narratives on you. I don’t let it bother me because I realized that that person is of absolutely no value to me if they’re just going to point out negative shit. Constructive criticism is one thing and that’s something you have to be able to take. If you’re maybe misleading people or you’re saying some stupid shit on the internet or whatever the cases and people call you out for it, you don’t block them and start crying about it, then you apologize for it. That’s perfectly fine. If someone gives you constructive criticism, that’s one thing, but when someone’s blatantly hating, saying whatever the fuck it may be about you, there’s absolutely no reason to be upset about it in my opinion.
Long story short, if someone hates on you or you feel like they’re “hating” on you, shift and either support them or keep on walking forward because it’s most likely something that’s funny.
The more insecure you are with yourself, the more the haters are going to bother you. It’s not the haters that are bothering you, you feel that way about yourself. When someone’s literally could look me in the eye or write comments or something negative and I’m confident in myself enough to know who I am, what I’m about and those types of things. Obviously, everyone has flaws. At the end of the day, it’s all good. I’ve got a tattoo on my wrist that says, “It’s all good.”
Why did you get into the gym? What does the gym mean to you especially when you were a teenager?
I saw I had to get into the gym because I did sports in high school. I was almost forced into the gym. I was the kid sitting in the weight room. I was like, “This is stupid, whatever.” I didn’t like it because I see all these other dudes throwing around heavy weight. I’m like, “I’m more athletic. I don’t need the stupid shit,” or whatever. I started lifting one day. “I’m going to take this seriously. I’m going to lift.” I started seeing changes in my body that I never thought I would see. I started feeling confident. I could wear a tee shirt without feeling like scrawny or girls pointing things out and stuff. It gave me this massive confidence. I think at the beginning with lifting, my motivation derived from wanting to get validation from other people, getting compliments, all that type of stuff. That’s why I think I got so into it in the beginning, but then it just became a passion. It became something that regardless of anyone noticed anything or said anything, I love to go to the gym every day. It became like literally my form of meditation to be honest. When I go to the gym, I don’t feel anxious. I can relieve that.
Don’t you feel any anxiety? What if you’re going for a PR?
When I’m going for a PR, and it’s interesting because I’m an anxious person, I don’t feel any anxiety. I feel like I’m at home. I feel good.
Why do you feel like you can’t bring that calmness to the rest of your life?
To be honest, I don’t know where I would be without lifting. I have transitioned like that mentality a little bit into my life through working out. Through working out, I learned to keep that calmness in a sense. Lifting weights taught me that and brought me to that meditative space where I felt confident. I felt comfortable. I didn’t feel anxious and I think that it played a huge role in the fact that I am sitting here in Denver. I traveled by myself on a plane. I was in the hospital over panic attacks in my hometown because I was still that uncomfortable going to school. I think that lifting has shifted my mindset so much and showed me that I could have that calmness, I can have that happy space. It came into other areas of my life and made me a better person and it shifted my mindset a lot.
Readers, take in these words because we all suffer from anxiety in some way, shape or form. I’m a stress eater. When I’m stressed, I eat and it’s all about managing that stress and getting the proper sleep, putting the right nutrients in your body. If you need to count your macros and cut your calories for that, do it. Don’t be that jackass that’s only eating Sour Patch Kids all day or whatever thinking that you’re going to feel amazing off it. There are consequences with that and also moderation. Moderation is so important. If someone’s reading this and they’re like, “I’m trying to do this YouTube thing. I’m trying to do the social media thing.” I know this is a cliché question, but let’s throw some juice into this shit because this is going to be big time. Let’s make this shit moist. What type of advice would you give to someone with content, with creation?
This is a question that I definitely get all the time. What I would say is there are the cliché answers, but everyone’s going to tell you is you be consistent with your posting. Make sure that you’re always consistent, make sure that you know your unique and all those types of things. In my personal opinion, the best way to go about gaining a following or anything like that is simply being yourself and not trying to be somebody else. Honestly, if people like it to the point where they want to follow, the cold truth is a lot of times people want to follow someone because they’re getting something from that person that they’re not getting from other people. They want to go and they want to get that, whether they want to laugh, get entertainment, whether they want to get educated or whatever it might be. They want to go to that person. If you’re yourself and a lot of people start liking what you do, then they’re going to follow you. It’s not about you getting the best camera and the best laptop set up and posting.
Literally, document who you are.
There are people who could grow a million subscribers in a year that still don’t know how to edit. They use their own iPhone and they never planned on gaining a following. What I would say is just literally be yourself. Upload shit that is fun to you, unique to you and doesn’t try to be anybody else. I see it all the time. People pop up in fitness and they’ll try to model, let’s say how Dave films videos or how iPhone videos or how this person does or that person. In reality, it’s not them. You’re doing what they do, but you’re just doing it in a little bit lower of a form.
Sometimes you can grow from that. In reality, if you’re not you 100% of the time, don’t expect your business to grow. Don’t expect your relationships to grow.
People buy into them. I think people just want to see you being authentically you. That’s the truth.
They want to relate to you. You have a lot of friends in real life and because you’re so you on social media, you have a lot of friends on social media. It works wonders, just like me. I’m super famous. I have a following on social media, but the way I show up in person, sometimes it’s different. Sometimes I’m even goofier and that’s why I’m trying to get out there and be like, “What’s up? What’s going on?” That’s who I am but it translates. I’m very motivational. My motivational side and my work ethic translates to my social media. What do you know? People want to listen to me and follow me. It’s the same thing in person. I surround myself with motivation.
Let’s say if there’s someone out there who you’re very introverted, you may not have that many friends. It obviously doesn’t mean like you can’t put yourself out there on social media and do well. For one, Dave’s introverted. You might like David Laid. He’s very introverted at heart person but he, but he feels more comfortable, he’s more passionate about editing, filming the videos and that type of stuff. He just loves it, which is super interesting. I’m friends with Connor Murphy, if you know who that is. He does a bunch of viral skits all over the internet and stuff. I spoke to him about it and like he’s very introverted. He had to work so hard to do these videos that he does in a sense, but he’s a naturally an introverted guy.
I want to keep on shifting because I like having random-ass conversations. What are your thoughts on the whole industry, this whole steroid stuff and everyone’s like, “This person’s taking it,” it’s everywhere? What does it mean to you?
Honestly, I can understand it. This is why I can understand it. I was at one point watching all these social media channels. I already mentioned Christian. I knew everybody, Bradley, whoever the fuck it is. I watch every channel like Maddow and Chris Lavado. I watch all these fitness YouTubers. For some weird reason, I think it’s an innate thing where you’re like, “Is this person taking something? Is this person not?” It’s just something that you care so much about in a sense. I remember myself caring so much, wanting to know if this person natural or not natural or whatever the case may be.
I don’t know exactly why. I think it probably stems from in my high school, a lot of kids would like to take prohormones or not take prohormones or take this or take that. You want to stack yourself up against someone. You’re like, “If they’re on steroids, I’m natural.” They’re on steroids, “Fuck them or whatever.” You’re upset about it. I understand it. Also, I can understand how a lot of people don’t like the fact that someone can claim natural and they’re not natural. They’re going to have young kids think that they’re natural
Do you think it truly matters?
At the end of the day, you could look at it from the token that like, “These kids are not going to limit themselves.” They’re going to see this person who they think is natural. They’re not natural and now they’re going to shoot. They’re going to train and eat hard and they’re going to be like, “I’d like to look like that.”
Could it be a good thing and a bad thing?
It could be a good thing or a bad thing. At the end of the day, I think people get a little bit too caught up in it, to be honest. I don’t like directly lying about it. I don’t think it is good at all. At the same time, I don’t think it’s going to change someone’s life. Whether if they’re watching someone and they’re driving motivation, they’re getting educated, all these things and that person does take something, it doesn’t change anything. If that person who’s a young kid, if they think someone’s natural, it’s not going to hurt them. Now they’re going to fucking stay natural because they’re going to think that they’re going to be there. You shouldn’t take anything, especially as a young teen. I don’t know that it’s truly hurting those people.
This is very interesting because I have some friends that understand steroid use and let’s put it out there. There’s a difference between hardcore steroids. I don’t understand it very well, but like a Winstrol or what was it called?
There’s SARMS, like different types of SARMS.
There’s a huge difference and let’s put it out there from SARMS and a steroid and testosterone.
They’re all performance-enhancing drugs. Some of them have much worse side effects than others. Some are way more aggressive. Another thing is a lot of people, they may take a little something but they’re like, “I only take a little something. Technically, I’m not taking anything and it is what it is. You’re always going to have that, period.
Do you look at someone differently if they’re on something or not?
Personally, I would never look at somebody differently if they’re on something at all.
One person that talks about it all the time is Brandon Harding. I’m friends with them as well. I think what he does is he’s so dedicated to a sport. It’s like, if he’s doing that, let him do it. He knows the side effects. He knows what he’s going through. I think this goes for anyone and everyone. I have friends that do it so consistently, but they go to the doctors and they know exactly what they’re doing. I don’t think anybody should take it. It’s not healthy for you.
There’s a more optimal way to take things like that, but there’s no healthy way.
If you’re reading and you’re like, “Should I take something?” Go natural and just go down the natural train and enjoy that. If you decide one day that you want to compete or you want to do this or you want to do that on a different stage.
Even then because I see a lot of people where they train for eight months and like, “I want to do a show,” they use the show as an excuse to go take something. I promise you this, if you want to take steroids and the truth of the matter, the real true core of the matter is you want to impress other people, then you’re going to fuck yourself.
You’re shooting yourself down the wrong street.
You’re not impressing the girl that you just picked up at the bar when you know your dick doesn’t work anymore because you’re taking something.
I don’t think that’s a side effect though.
It absolutely is.
Are you sure?
Absolutely. Some of them can have the reverse effect. They call it deca dick. There are different steroids that literally calls the reverse effect. Even then, so are you going to stay on steroids for the rest of your life? You don’t want the double Ds. You want the double Ds on the girl. You don’t want double Ds in the bedroom with your dick. You don’t want it. It’s how it is. When you come off all that fucking great shit, you’re feeling like Superman. Your dick’s three inches longer. You’re doing all these great things in the bedroom, good for you. Now, you come off and for the next year, your hair is falling out. You have two baseballs onto your nipples because you have gynecomastia. You literally have, for the rest of your life, acne scars on your back, acne scars in your chest, acne scars in your face that you would’ve never had. Was it worth it for that six-month cycle that you did? Also on top of that, you’re shooting Russian roulette with it because if you do come off, there’s a chance that you’ll never be normal again without continuing to stay on it for the rest of your life.
That’s a delicate thing. Women as well because a lot of women takes that shit. Let’s be real.
Every girl that I know that’s taking a shit, they get messed up.
From this discussion right here, if you’re going to take something, consult with a doctor that knows about this stuff. Obviously, it’s illegal. Certain things are illegal and there are certain things that aren’t illegal as well. Be smart about it. Don’t be stupid and going in and be like, “I’m going to take out this Trembuterol.” I literally to say that all the time because that’s the only one that I know. Is it wrong?
It’s Clenbuterol and then there’s Trenbolone acetate or Trenbolone enanthate.
Is it not Trembuterol?
It’s called Clenbuterol.
Be smart about it and do it for the reasons like if you want to become a pro bodybuilder, do it. I’m not condoning it. I’m saying be smart about it. If you are going to do it, I don’t suggest it and that’s all. Dylan, outside of all this shit, what do you like to do? Do you like to play the piano? Are you a piano player? Are you a MOG gamer like myself?
I wish I was. I see you have MLG back there. Why is there a MOG thing up there?
How come everybody that walks in here, people will keep on coming in here, they’re like, “Why do you have MOG?” It’s literally in the corner.
There are a few things in here that I’m super confused about.
I’m a skim-boarder. I’ve skim-boarded for years. While I was playing collegiate football, I had long hair. I was about to dread it up.
Just so you could do your skim-board?
I love the waves. I can ride waves.
I’ll teach you how to surf.
What else? What else should you confuse about?
World of Warcraft?
I played World of Warcraft for years. I had multiple characters that Level 70 and that was when it was the top head. I would go on raids all the time. I’ve got all my besties on there. What else? What else are you curious about? I’m more curious about you, but that’s cool if you want to ask.
Everything else fits.
Majorly gaming, I played Halo, Halo 2 and Halo 3 professionally.
For me, I would say the things I’ve always been passionate about, I’ve grown up snowboarding, surfing skateboard. I love snowboarding. My aunt and uncle always had a house up in Vermont, which is about six hours from me in New Jersey. I’ve done that. I’m super passionate about that. Action sports just in general I love. I started surfing and learned when I was three. I was snowboarding at three years old. Other than that, I would say honestly helping people for sure but I think that that ties into what I do.
I feel like you’re going to be a guest speaker one day. One day, you’re going to hold a stage and have a lot of people. Honestly, out of all the jokes and stuff, I see half of you in me.
The other half’s good and the other half I have of you is bad and I have a good.
Honestly, I see you as being very successful long-term and I see you showing up for not only for yourself and other people around you. I’ve seen that with your business. We worked on some things together and it is cool to even see your growth, just like where at now. Would you ever want to guest speak? Where does that for you?
I think I would. It’s funny because I’ll watch guys like Ed Mylett and Tony Robbins and some other people even Brendan Meyers. I don’t need to watch you because I can call you anytime I want.
Maybe I should put that on like a block?
Block my number? I don’t want to watch because I’ll just give you a call and I can ask whatever I want, all my specific questions, whatever. I could see that. I think that’d be super cool. I think that me sitting down and articulating everything well to be able to present it to people would be something I’d be interested in doing. I think a lot of the times, I have all these thoughts and I’ve been through some stuff and whatever. I think that I could help a lot of people, but sometimes I’m not super articulate with my thoughts.
You’ll go in a circle. Have you ever seen a dog in the street chasing its own tail?
It is me. If I stopped chasing the tail, imagine how far it’s going to go.
This is a huge lesson. Stop chasing your own tail and you’re going to go far in life.
It would be cool. I would love to do that.
What’s one of your favorite foods?
It’s so basic. Do you like lamb?
I like lamb. I introduced you to lamb, didn’t I?
We were in Boulder, Colorado and we were at Whole Foods. I was like, “You should try this lamb,” and now you’re on it.
I think I introduced you to lamb.
It’s the exact opposite of what I just said.
I’m so glad you tried the lamb. Do you see how we just did that? That’s him chasing his own tail. There you go.
Nobody knew that. The straight faith I had saying that, nobody knew.
Dylan, you shouldn’t talk about that. You shouldn’t be like, “I can do a straight face and tell you that I have three nipples and I have two noses and I also own this business called Expedia.com.” Where does your comedic side come from?
I don’t know. I’m naturally probably one of the funniest people that ever lived.
You’re naughty funny. Are you funny naughty?
I don’t know. I don’t take myself too seriously. I’m always willing to be self-deprecating and stuff. I feel like I always like to have fun.
Let me ask you, when you’re in a relationship with a woman, how does that shift? There are a lot of people that are reading that are like, “I’m either searching for someone to date or they might not even know it. They’re not even ready to date. Are you ready to date right now, to be in a serious relationship?
Honestly, this is the truth, I’ll tell you right now. When you meet the right person, you’re always ready. If you meet the 100% right person, you’re always ready.
How do you meet the 100% right person if you’re not growing within yourself yet? No, you can’t do that.
I guess that’s the case. In my opinion, I would say that regardless of what growth phase you’re at or whatever, if you find someone else that’s truly right for you, they’re in that same growth phase at the same time that you might both be going through shit, that person might be able to help you tremendously grow and you help them grow. That’s how people build marriages that last 30 years is growing together. I would say if you meet the right person, then you’re always ready. Also I’m not actively seeking.
If someone’s reading and they’re like, “I’m trying to find somebody in my life. It’s not working. I can’t find a girlfriend. I can’t find a boyfriend.” What would you say?
What I would say to that is to literally be yourself around women or men or whatever sex you are. I used to be nervous about being myself around women. You know how I am towards you, how I am in general? I wouldn’t be myself around women because I was nervous. I felt scared. I didn’t know how they would take it, whatever it was. Now that I truly am myself, I don’t give a fuck. I feel like this is when women just come into your life.
Be you and don’t bring any expectation with that. Don’t create any assumptions. Literally be you and go through your life and someone’s going to walk in. It’s the same thing for me. I am dating. I have some incredible people in my life. I’m also not rushing anything and I’m open. I keep my mind open and allow everything to progress the way it should and bring my vision to life. Remember, your vision, when you create you, it’s not about only creating you like your business. You’re creating your relationship with a woman or a male or however you roll, it’s about you. We’re going to shift the conversation. What type of music do you like? Do you say, “Kill the family?”
You know the Screamos, which is all sad and dark and like, “I want to kill them all.”
I don’t think they say that though.
Are you sure? Honestly, I like everything. I like rock and alternative. I like Post Malone, Katy Perry, Justin Bieber and I like Migos.
Come on. Let’s get vulnerable.
I don’t do that for free.
Are you payment system now? Like Snapchat premium. There’s a premium for Snapchat. It’s a cryptocurrency. You pay with Bitcoin. I’m kidding. Come on. It’s not on the blockchain yet.
You probably lost a lot of money in that. You seem to like that type of guy.
Bitcoin? Did you invest?
I put $11,000 into it in one day and then pulled it out seven days later. I put $11,0000 in when it was at $13,000 and it was that week that it spiked to $19,000 and I made $5,000 in a week.
That wouldn’t be $5,000. That would be a lot more.
No, it was $5,000.
It would be like $7,000.
I put $11,000 in at $13,000 and sold it at $17,000. That’s the truth of the matter. I remortgaged my mom’s house to get that $11,000.
Do you believe in Bitcoin?
I don’t think it’s a steady long-term thing. I think that there’s not enough out there about it to be honest for it to be something that I would ever invest in. Think about other things like real estate, other stock market things are things that there are people out there who can educate you on. It could be great.
That’s like Gary Vee talking about Uber and how he had an opportunity and he fucked up. You bought it for $13,000. That was so high.
It went up to $21,000. I was like, “I’m going to put it in rich.”
Is it $6,000 right now or something like that? You would have literally lost half of that money. You’d be at $6,000 and the mortgage that you were talking about, your mom, shit would not have happened.
She loves me though. She’d be like, “It is what it is.” She wants me to remortgage again.
What do you think about buying a house anywhere in the world? Where would you buy a house?
It’s funny. I’d never been there.
Antarctica? New Zealand?
Out in Malibu, California.
You’re about Cali. I’m trying to get you to move here to Denver.
I’m horny for California.
You’re horny for Cali. You could build a business, HornyForCalifornia.com.
I have a sexual attraction for California.
Do you really? What is this? Is it the sun?
It’s the women honestly.
No, I’m just kidding.
Every kidding there’s a little bit of truth.
There are some gorgeous women.
Just a few. There are beautiful women everywhere. Literally, I’m going to walk outside of my house and there are beautiful women.
No, there are beautiful women everywhere. Especially in cities like this, but what I like about California mainly is the weather. Out of everything, it’s the weather. Obviously, there are business connections. I have a lot of friends there. There’s a lot of collaboration opportunity and there’s management opportunity. There are a million different opportunities. Also on top of that, it’s better content for my YouTube. California’s the shit because every day you can wake up and fucking go outside in a t-shirt in Southern California. I primarily like Malibu.
What about taxes though? Ladies and gentlemen, please pay your taxes. I highly encourage that. That’s a number one in the bucket list. You should literally have a bucket list about skydiving, you should go snorkel with sharks and then pay your taxes. Do you pay quarterly?
No, I say fuck it and slam it and get a little fee if I don’t feel like paying.
This needs to be said. Pay your taxes quarterly. Create a projection for how much you earn. At the end of the year, what usually happens is sometimes you get a big fat tax return.
You don’t get it. Anyway, 99% of people don’t. They get their money pulled out of the fucking paycheck. If you’re an entrepreneur, if you want to become something, if you want to be an entrepreneur and you’re a savage, you just fucking pay it at the end of the year.
Was that like a Logan Paul reference?
Savage. It’s Maverick.
Are you a Maverick? I thought you were a Gymshark.
No. Honestly, I’m also a Maverick.
I’m a Jake Paul-er.
Are you serious? We’ll fight about it. Who would win the fight, Logan or Jake?
Logan or Jake? Who would win?
Logan, but I fuck with Jake. Jake’s cool. That’s super interesting. Where do you see yourself here in the next year or two years honestly?
First, I want to preface, I like how you said here. “Where do you see yourself here in Denver, Colorado, preferably living in this building?” Where do I see myself in one or two years? I don’t know. I see myself growing my business into something that I know that it’s going to be. Literally getting my business from where it is now to where I know that it’s going to be. I know that there’s a lot of work that’s going to come with that 100% but doing that and honestly being able to help my mom out more with my sister. Personal growth, growing myself, getting better with my anxiety and being more conscious of things.
You want to grow. You’re in the growth phase. I always ask this question. If you were at a dinner table and everyone was coming to eat and you could have any three people, any three people at all, it could be four if you want, who would they be?
100% number one would be Tony Robbins. I didn’t know who he was until lately. It’d be Tony Robbins. The reason why for him, because not only business-wise but as a human being, I feel that he’s amazing. He truly cares about people.
What if he had so much anxiety and what if he didn’t treat his wife the right way? Here’s the thing, it’s like the only reason why I’m putting it out there is he doesn’t. He’s in control of his life and he inspires me. He’s like one of my motivators. I’ve been inspired, but like a lot of people, they have this great life and they’re such motivators. I’m thinking in general, everyone thinks you have a perfect life and then you’re going through shit. You have issues that you’re going through. What would you say about that?
What I would say is I wouldn’t even be surprised. At the end of the day, I would hope and I would think that if he’s going through something like that, he would be young about it in the best way that he could go about it. That’s all you can do as a human being. He’s a very strong person, great mindset and all those things. Obviously, people are going to go through the shit periods.
Just know that not everyone’s perfect. Even someone like Tony Robbins, I guarantee you he goes through things.
He preaches all these things and he helps so many people, but there are definitely times in his life where he’s down or he’s like, “Fuck,” a little confused. He says, “What am I doing? Am I not feeding enough people and not doing this?” He’s a billionaire. Everyone looks up to him. It is what it is.
There’s always more for growth, so don’t stop growing.
I would say Tony Robbins. Another one would probably be LeBron James.
The reason why I would say LeBron James is because I believe he’s literally the biggest sports icon in the world. I would want to pick his brain, “How do you do this shit? How are you like this? What the fuck’s wrong? Where were you made? What happened?” I would also say another person, Shaun White. Shaun White was an idol of mine growing up. He is a professional snowboarder. For him, it’s more so the fact that he’s been an idol since I was like a little kid snowboarding and stuff like that.
Who’s number four? Give me someone that you follow on social media. Is there anybody that you always tune into? You’re like, “What is he doing? How did he do this?”
Maybe like Tony Robbins, Grant Cardone and Ed Mylett. Those are the guys that I watch all the time. I watch all their podcasts and all their videos. That’s who I watch. You can’t ask Tony Robbins or Grant Cardone in the same room.
That’s the whole point. See how you’re overthinking this? How else do you do this in your life?
Where does this show up in my life? Absolutely everywhere. Grant Cardone, done. He’s the fourth.
Now, it creates like, “This is who you want to be in your life.” Grant Cardone is incredible in investing. Do you know what you’ll talk about? Investing.
Never buy a single-family home. He literally says that a million times.
It’s interesting how you said all these different things like Grant Cardone, you have Tony Robbins and you have Shaun White. All these people encompass who you are becoming and who you are right now. Maybe you weren’t always interested in them growing up but now you are. Shaun White was somebody that came from your fun mindset and it is incredible. If you are reading, take it into your own hands and look at that the same way. I don’t have much else to say.
Who were your four people?
I always talk about it. I like to change it up a little bit, Ben Francis. Honestly, I would like to have dinner with him. I like to see big or small, everybody. I’d love to see Jake Paul 100%. I want to tap into the mind of him. Can you have three or four?
I 100% want to sit down with Obama because of his stillness and his calmness and everything. It’s incredible. Also, I would like to sit down with Justin Bieber. The reason why I say all these people, I’m in this mindset now where there’s one person I would want to learn from and all of that and that’s Obama. That’s who I’d like to learn. The other three people, I would like to study them and sit there and get in, tap into their minds and see how we relate in certain ways. See what makes them so different or unique. That’s what I would like to focus on. Those are my four people for now. I think that’s it. Any other questions you have for me?
There are no other questions.
Where can people find you, Dylan?
People can find me on Instagram, @McKenna_Dylan or type my name on Instagram. I’m that popular or whatever. It will show up and then on YouTube.
Everywhere, Dylan McKenna on YouTube and Instagram. Do you post all the time?
I post pretty much every day on Instagram.
You have your businesses and everything in LinkedIn. Definitely go check out Dylan. Thank you so much. You can get seven free products absolutely free. Meals plans and you get the ab program. This stuff will hold you over for a little bit. Also, you have access to Starting Your Business Online checklist and those types of guides. Remember, the CreateU Experience isn’t just the experience of the show, it is the actual experience before the show begins. Always tune in when you can. Tell your friends about it and tag Dylan or me after you read this. I’ll see you next time.
About Dylan McKenna
Dylan McKenna is an American-born fitness model and online coach. Initially, Dylan became interested in bodybuilding to improve his performance in high school sports.
However, after noticing improvements in his physique from lifting weights, Dylan’s mindset completely changed. He went on to leave high school sports to fully dedicate himself to bodybuilding.
Over time, Dylan built a strong and ripped physique. Furthermore, people around him began praising his progress. This, in turn, motivated Dylan to share his transformational story with as many people as possible – uploading his progress pictures on the internet.
Since then, Dylan has grown in success and recognition. He remains dedicated to his quest, which is “to help people feel confident about themselves, and learn that they can still have a life while also looking great, and being strong as an ox.”